The Rai discriminates against minorities
This morning I woke up with a great desire to start the year 2011 in the implementation of good intentions. So, seeing that a few months I feel the need to pay particular attention to the food I eat, I wanted to see an episode of Report aired a few weeks ago and spoke of consumption, GDP and groups of people who have organized themselves into communities to self-produce a part of the food they eat in accordance with the principles of sustainability. To tell the truth I do not remember exactly nor the names of these organizations, nor exactly how they were organized at the level of self and for this reason I wanted to review the episode of Report. I wanted to ... but I belong to the "ethnic-minority computer science" of users of GNU / Linux and I can not see the streaming site RAI!
Silverlight plugin does not exist
To tell the truth is not the first time that I can not view the video on the website of RAI. Even during the World Cup it was impossible to watch the games aired by the public TV streaming on their website if you are connected via a browser launched by GNU / Linux, and always for the same reason: Rai uses Microsoft's Silverlight for which is not released a version for GNU / Linux platform. Okay, you say, but there is an Open Source alternative: Novell and Microsoft, in fact, develop the free plugin " Moonlight "which, they say the same Novell and Microsoft, would be implementing Open for GNU / Linux Silverlight ... just a pity that the stable version of Moonlight is not developed to be compatible with the latest versions of Silverlight!
The problem is clear, does not affect the choices of Microsoft and Novell on the priority to be given to the development of a plugin rather than another. RAI The problem is that, as a public service, should ensure that ALL the possibility of using the its services and to those few who, like me, do not use nor systems opearativi home Mircosoft, or Apple operating systems. The reason is simple: everyone pays the fee, even those like me who belong to "minorities computer" and then everyone has equal right to have access to all services of the RAI.
It would be really interesting if it did apply the principle that any public service, even if not made available from the website of a Public Administration, must meet the standards of accessibility and usability intended precisely to the websites of public administrations. In this way, by way of example and to understand the practical importance that the application of such a principle would, even the websites of the companies for the urban and suburban transport subsidized by the institutions to provide a public service, they would be forced to make their own websites respectful of the principles laid down for those of public administrations.
In the meantime, to all directors of websites that provide public service, starting with those who have the responsibility to manage the website of RAI, I recommend reading the book " The websites of public administrations "written by his friend Ernesto Belisario , Gianluigi Cogo and Roberto Scano . I am sure that the information you will find in the book can be a good starting point to make their websites accessible to all, including minorities computer.
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I completely agree with you. But the RAI is not a public service but just a place where politics (in the worst sense of the word) makes its interests. Linux, free and mature to be the ideal desktop of millions of people does not produce any direct, does not pay bribes, no gifts / regaloni / favors.
The depressing thing is that few people understand.
Hello. Ilic
@ Ilix:
Ilix, unfortunately the description given by the RAI is that the GNU / Linux is pure and harsh reality. However, I think at this point it becomes important to put pressure on that part of the policy with the capital "P" to avoid succumbing altogether.
My reasoning is precisely in this sense. I'd like to contribute to the cause of those fighting for the total transparency of all that is public, with the increasing importance of the services offered on the web is essential to ensure the accessibility and usability of data and information to 100% of people.
Hello I also had problems like yours right now anyway moonlight works with firefox and I see the direct and deferred from the site Rai my version of moonlight 2.99.0.10
@ Gianluigi caputo:
because you downloaded the pre-release of version 3 of Moonlight, then a beta. If you download the stable release (2.3.qualcosa) I assure you that the site does not display RAI
Hello, the rai discriminates against "minorities" as you call them, in a very serious +
If you talk about discrimination because you can not watch programs rai with linux, consulates thinking that blind people (as I am) have no facility in the canon
you have to pay the fee even if you have a computer and a television, and note that for a blind computer is certainly important + tv because we need to read and also for shopping on line in short, to several other situations for our autonomy staff.
In short, one has the pc to read books and do not give a damn about the rai, and you must pay the fee of rai, but it?
Not to mention the voiceovers:
http://www.segretariatosociale.rai.it/palinsesto/progr_audiodescr.html
There is a list here of all the programs that since 2001 have been made available in audio description on radio1 broadcast media, and now live on the web via realplayer ... here is precisely here too discrimination through the use of a format owner.
Basically, with all the programs and movies INTELLIGENT that there may be rai, no, these served to you "ratatouille" put you "desperate housewives", "private practice", "spell" and other (to my taste) huge crap.
As if we were blind to which the poor bastards just settle for the little that we allow.
Then I'll tell you another thing
I went to "mind your own business" rai2 on December 13, on the air, for a service on the internet addiction (the video is on my channel, http://www.youtube.it/talksina )
I was with a colleague of mine who was also blind, provided with a guide dog. In short, did not allow him to enter to view the webcast, including the public, "because the dog ruin the shot," and I said, before going on the air, "do not worry your colleague is behind her" instead they relegated to a small room with the TV and hath heard the transmission from TV rather than watch the live instead as we had agreed and noted that we both signed the sheet of authorization to appear on the screen.
Assuming that I am in favor of free software (in fact as a programmer assistant, screen reader, use NVDA - http://www.nvda-project.org ) which is open source, given that the screen reader for linux ORCA does not satisfy me, and when possible I try to use open source software ... if I were you, given the discrimination that's out there, I'm a little ashamed to talk about "discrimination" in a digital environment; your place I would have called the 'article "the rai does not take into account the different operating systems."
Discrimination is quite another thing ...
In the specific context it is ignorance computer.
That's exactly it, we are there ...
RealPlayer (or real alternative that is) I use it just to hear the broadcasts of the social secretariat rai, the few times that I'm glad to see some episode of NCIS or Criminal Minds deferred.
But being able to, I'd also seguirmele with VLC ... oh god, I've never tried to see if VLC supports real. And I installed it on all PC's real then I can not even take the test.
For the rest, I had tried with MPlayer years ago when I used the debian from the command line (I miss those times, but I changed Braille display and I do not BRLTTY + supports the new device, alva BS40)
But even there, I do not remember how I did it because I am past six years, I was forced to copy me of the dll files from windows to be able to operate with real mplayer. I mounted the fat32 partition on which it was installed xp, and then with the cp command I took the dll
btw,
I soon in spite of all I think switching to a macbook pro.
And there I will get both Windows and Linux systems as virtual, though obviously not the same thing ... and so that's that.
hello.
@ Elena Brescacin:
Elena, thank you very much for your testimony and I commend you for using the stubbornness of the penguin.
I do not have many words to add, except that the amount of discrimination you are suffering along with fellow blind confirm even more that anyone who provides a service - especially if the public - should comply with the rules dictated by the accessibility and usability standards for sites web ... for the rest let me tell you: Do not let the penguin!
@ Stefano:
Unfortunately I had to abandon the use of GNU / Linux because the ORCA system, one used as an aid to the GUI, does not satisfy me very much and especially not grow much more. And the command line because I can not use synthesis type espeak or pico (the android) does not run on the CLI while the braille note is devoid of drivers: the satellite 40 at Alva Braille system is not supported while it is the satellite pro.
I hope that those of NVDA make the miracle and manage to bring NVDA on Linux but I do not think since that uses the libraries of microsoft MSAA, for accessibility.
For now I have windows xp on the machine here, but if you give me for my birthday a macbook pro that has the assistant VoiceOver pre-certainly not throw it away!
to rai mom that makes life "hard" users of the penguin is an old story, unfortunately ..
as you know some channels (RAI 1, 2, and all the video replay) is transmitted with a new technology called SmoothStreaming only supported by M $ Silverlight plugin and (on linux platform) Novell Moonlight .. others are sent as MMS, so there are several displays that support this type of flow (vlc, mplayer etc.)
smooth streaming before it was implemented, there were various solutions to be able to see direct / vod / replay without using the plugin * light ..
this example is a script for greasemonkey that I released some time ago and still working for flows mms: RAI-TV-Player http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/61782
the beginning of March 2011, however, I have released an extension for firefox that supports all channels rai (smooth and MMS) and video replay, allowing viewing through mplayer. The addon (which runs on mac / linux / windows) is freely downloadable at the following address:
http://acab.servebeer.com/
I hope I have done something pleasing,
greetings to all
@ Mitm:
very very very interesting!
Thank you so much for bringing this to the addon and reported! I will try it soon.
Stefano
I read that some time ago had to download the program for the calculation of maintenance downloaded from giustiziasicilia that now no longer works, I ask if it would be possible potermelo so kind as to send by email so that I can use it to calculate how much money I'll have to give maintenance because I think I'm taking from all sides without understanding anything. the ringranzio in advance and wish you a good evening
Unfortunately, the fee is a charge of possession of an apparatus capable of receiving, however, in the face of the stream. It 'a law of 1944 or so!! That is a law that could not contemplate anything more than what was at the time, that nothing except the radio. Just like today ... But it suits not update it because anything goes in indecision and RAI answer you that the fee has nothing to do with streaming and so she is in no way obligated to provide on its site software available to everyone. Anyway mitm is a myth .... With the last 3 moonlight latest version does not work where a tube is a lifeline. I thank him publicly.
I'm sorry, but as I have often written I do not have copies of the software and do not know sources to download. It would be really nice to get back this tool.
@ Paolo52 the rai is not obligated to make the services available? oh no?
And the law 4/2004 on + the 67/2006 on discrimination, where do you put?
The problem is not the law is lacking here; associations are so-called "category", union blind or whatever, that just is not interested in the slightest if the rai does or does not do. We do not put in the game just lick the ass to politicians
associations if they did the right pressure not only us people with sensory disabilities would have the subsidized rent to 50% as a minimum but the sites would be accessible to mac, linux, and even the vacuum cleaner if you like.
precisely here: in January, I said that I would have bought a macbook pro in short ... I took it for 2 days, I have not yet all the knowledge of the system that I need to put linux on a virtual machine, but also does not work on mac rai.tv good!
About linux is not discrimination but also to be the best apple ... just press a button and talk. precisely command + f5. linux instead must installarci Orca, and that's not even that we can do everything. That is, there is also the distribution Vinux, which is an adapted, but do not make such claims, with things "adapted" have little to say that Linux systems are for all then if you have a blind fan to use them and even pay One!
I at the time when I was a tactile device that made me use the command line I was excited, more that if I was, now that I knew really excited about linux apple unfortunately I'm not anymore and he did not deny that I'm disappointed because the potential would really really many
But I repeat, back to the subject of the beginning, none of those who should be doing, doing enough.
Or rather, when I do not remember which Italian public administration wanted to switch to GNU / Linux, one of the objections that have been made about it was precisely the fact that it is not accessible to the blind. Sure, it's true. Now it is true. But if instead of saying "is not accessible to the blind" those who protested (radicals) had financed some developer the right ones, now would not be at this point.
PS sorry if I am nervous but I have compromised the web site
fully agree with elena regarding the interest shown poor to say the least trade associations and the total indifference to the question of mom rai ..
I think it makes little sense instead the comparison between a free and open operating system - linux - and a company like Apple, which manufactures and sells hardware and software at a great price ..
applications such as speech recognition, text-to-speech and so on, on mac have been developed and improved because there is an economic return on linux .. counter these applications do not exist or are difficult to install cm ² / use, because no we have invested some money .. I do not think that such liability is attributable to the operating system, which indeed provides free all the tools necessary to do so, as the distorted system in which we live so the technology is not at the service of ' man and his real needs, but is subject to the laws of the market (discriminatory by nature)
I close the parentheses and take this opportunity to tell you the new version of the addon for firefox that I published on mozilla [https://addons.mozilla.org/it/firefox/addon/raismth/] and a copy on my web server [http: / / acab.servebeer.com]
The addon is of course free and open source, and can be used on Windows systems, mac and linux, although support is provided only for * nix - @ elena: every rule has its exceptions, so I'm available for any need if you want to test it on mac
a greeting,
Riccardo (mitm)
@ Riccardo on mac I can not test anything, because I still firefox is not accessible. precisely here: chrome is available on mac but not on windows, firefox is available on windows but not on mac ... even if they say they're working on mozilla foundation. but I believe little, since I do not have the facts in hand.
You say that Riccardo apple costs so much?
But you know what you're talking, yes?
indeed, WHO, talk
You have no idea how much it costs a screen reader for windows? without which, that is, windows can not I use it? Here, costs the same as a mac book. 1300 euro, approximately. 100 € more than 100 € less
Why a computer to use it, from 500 euro medium of the computer (if it is a fixed assembled) + 1300 euro only software. + If you want a OCR software for reading, or an external hardware device that reads the paper, you have to spend additional EUR 1200-1300 and beyond, there are also from 4000.
When a ciecato he just wanted to read the newspapers and do not give a damn computer, just go and buy a measly 8GB iPod touch with € 200 and a little more, including a couple of applications, which has all the newspapers' I am the world, e-mail, OCR indeed missing some bad runs but in the meantime ... or if you really want to overdo it, an iPad that costs you 600 €, + applications. that are not broken and 1300 software.
and with regard to the mac, that the money it costs them alone and do not have to buy anything else because he speaks
For you it will cost too much and I feel sorry for you
but does that mean obviously you do not know what it means to "cost so much"
I'm talking about 20 years ago, my first post ... it cost 10 thousand euro considering the costs now.
And now, speaking of rai, for companies only, for now, but they put the fees again on the use of smartphones and PCs, from 400 to 6000 Euros, but you kidding?
Sure there are the facilities, not for the canon rai but for the supporting technologies. If you take something of dedicated, you must make application to the ASL with all the delays of the case. and if it is, then you have to wait six years to change media, that what you maybe also has the cobwebs wear.
So you agree with me that it is better not to use the facilities asl, but use only the reduced VAT of 4% and the ability to download everything from taxes, for things that cost a maximum of € 800? Sure. I wanted to buy one of your phones, from 50 euro, then we should spend additional 200 software. with all the problems. licenses, fee updates, serial numbers related to the device, malfunctions with the OS update
then you know very well that I prefer to spend $ 700 for a device apple or not?